Dick of the Week
The honor of “Dick of the Week” can this week only go to Senator Steve Fielding.
The Christian fundamentalist described the passing of the Therapeutic Goods Amendment (Repeal of Ministerial responsibility for approval of RU486) Bill 2005 as a sad day for Australia
, because it gives women who are after an abortion more choice.
Last time I checked, Steve, abortion was legal in this country. If you’re unhappy with this, why not more to Chile, El Salvador, Malta, or the Vatican, where it is illegal to have an abortion even if both the mother and unborn child would die otherwise. At least they’ll die under the flag of Christianity, eh Steve?
Actually the “sad day for Australia” comment reminds me of something, doesn’t it? About three months ago, Gavin Brown said exactly the same thing about VSU legislation, which was passed with your support in return for (presumably) Howard’s support on the RU486 legislation. That was a right royal fuck-up on your behalf, wasn’t it? It serves you right for trying to do covert back-door deals with the master.
February 17, 2006 12:42 pm 
By Bob Long
, November 6, 2006 @ 8:15 am
Right so this guy is a right wing bigot for standing up for the rights of the unborn child………it’s arseholes like you who condone the murder of babies that will be first against the wall when the revolution comes. The I hate christianity bandwagon is so easy to get on isn’t it but have you ever stopped to think that maybe it’s just morally wrong to kill unborn children? of course you haven’t because you are a useless windbag with as much of a conscience as a piece of dog shit.
By stu
, November 6, 2006 @ 9:09 am
Ah yes, the old use of invective to replace the need for any actual content in your argument. Your comments are most insightful, Bob.
I’m glad that you read the entry so thoroughly that you managed to find my views espousing the “murder of babies”. I have a long standing hatred of babies, and, as you managed to glean from my post regarding the underhanded behaviour of your idol, the Honourable Steven Fielding, I believe that all babies should be killed at birth. Tortured too, if possible.
Also, thank you for letting me know that having an abortion via the time-honoured “coat-hanger” method is one thing, but allowing a woman to have an abortion using the drug RU486 is infringing on the rights of the unborn child. I guess if I were a foetus I would want my abortion to cause as much pain - physical and psychologial if possible - inflicted on the woman whose uterus I was not welcome in. An eye for an eye, eh?
And also, thank you for so clearly seeing my disapproval of Senator Fielding as a hatred of Christianity in all its forms. For a second there, I thought I had a problem.
Finally, please don’t quote Douglas Adams at me. His words just don’t sit very well in amongst the rest of your drivel. Did you know that the great man had a theory on people who believed that the existence of God can be proven by the fact that the world is so well designed for our needs? He used the “sentient puddle” analogy.
Allow me to finish with some invective of my own. Go stick your schnozz in a septic tank, you syphilitic sheep-shagging son of a she-male.
And take Russel Crowe with you. Bloody Kiwis.
By wombat
, November 6, 2006 @ 9:14 am
stu, you are the greatest of all time. bob long, you are, unequivocally, the most retard person on the internet.
By foster the imposter
, November 6, 2006 @ 10:43 am
I am hereby renouncing my faith and declaring the all-knowing and all-seeing Stu my new God!
By Joel
, November 6, 2006 @ 2:32 pm
The Flying Spaghetti Monster doesn’t forgive easily foster
By sarah
, November 6, 2006 @ 4:51 pm
Excuse me while i just collect myself here…
Ok here we go, Bob:
Incorrect this guy is a right winged bigot because well he clearly has no bloody idea what he is doing this was proved by the time he couldn’t even answer questions on why he has just voted how he did on the media law changes. When pressed numerous times on the matter all he could say as “Look, Family First believes families are a foundation stone of our community.”
Is that so? Then why has he given James Packer’s PBL carte blanche to expand its gambling empire? And can he honestly think this can benefit families in any way? The senator did however appear on Jon Faine’s ABC radio show in mid October and he did actually did give a reason for passing the media bill… Wait for it, it’s a classic:
His claim was that ownership does not influence content, not only did he claim this once, or twice he continued to claim it to the point it sounded as though pore old Jon was talking to a broken record. Now to be honest he would really have to be the only man alive who believes that.
Now although I feel that the above proves that Senator Steve Fielding is quite clearly a bigot, I feel I need to enforce it with one of his more right winged decisions:
Hmmm let me see there was that time when he voted to outlaw compulsory student levies! Clearly this policy had only one motive which was to outlaw any possibility of left wing students having a forum for expression. The reality is an utter diminishment of student life, with universities cutting back on student services and tell me how exactly can that be good for families?
Oh and then there’s the current debate which Fielding and some of Christian Right have been in overdrive against RU486, but I will get to this later.
Ok so are we clear on the fact Senator Steve Fielding is quite clearly a Right Winged Bigot? Fantastic.
Now to continue:
Firstly abortion is not killing a baby technically it is the ridding of an embieo or foetus depending on the time it is removed. Now before you get all narky and call me heartless for defining it as I have please take note that medically foetus is the correct term used for an embryo after the eighth week of development until birth, it is after birth and after the foetus takes it’s first breath that the foetus actually can be classed as a baby.
Now I am defiantly apposed to killing a baby as a baby has what can defiantly be classed as life and I do not think there would be any one that would say otherwise (as appose to the hazy augment as to whether or not a foetus has life).
In regards to condoning the ridding/murder of a foetus I feel that this is a delicate situation which should not just be judged case by case but should be the choice of the women whose body the foetus resides. I personally would not get an abortion unless it was necessary for my or the child physical and mental health and wellbeing, So these situations can be made clear to you I will explain the:
Situation 1: Going through with the pregnancy would be fatal to either or both tho mother and child
Pregnancy is a very complicated thing and more often, as with any complicated thing, there are a number of complications unfortunately sometimes these complications can mean that if the pregnancy is not terminated then it’s progression will ultimately cause the death of the carrying woman – or possible mother to be – along with this there is an extremely high probability that this, or the medical condition it’s self, will also cause the death of the child. It is in a situation like this that if you truly believe your quote:
You need to decide whether it is more morally wrong to sentence the mother to death just to see whether this child will be that one in a thousand that survives. If after considering this you still feel it is wrong for that woman to terminate the pregnancy then frankly you are twisted. I say that not just because you would sentence a living being who not only has the gift of life, which u may ague the foetus has, but the woman also has memories, feelings, friends & family who have gotten to know and love her over the 20+ years of her life. I say it also because unless you are that 1:1000 you are killing the foetus once it is more developed and if you believe that the foetus is living you will be giving it a long painful death! Is that a moral thing to do? If you think it is then clearly you either have never seen something die slowly but surely in more pain then the human mind can comprehend. So that is the first case in which I feel a woman is quite justified to have an abortion and if I was ever in this situation myself I to would terminate the pregnancy and I would expect that the procedure was offered to me in a clean environment and in a professional and trained manor.
Situation 2: Child is conceived as a result of a rape
Ok now I am pretty sure given your strong views against abortion that you also have some wacked views regarding rape. However you may not so we shall wait and see….
Rape figures are disgustingly high all over the world however it is estimated that one in EVERY 4 female have or will be sexually assaulted in such a way, now that is disgusting in its self. Now if you yourself have been raped, then you will have SOME understanding of what these women go through. The reason I say some is because it is physically impossible for you to get pregnant from the rape. Now it is difficult to determine how many pregnancies occur after rape how ever a number of studies have been done and they estimate around 5% of rape victims will fall pregnant as a result of the rape, so that’s 1 in every 80 females!!! Now a rape leaves a lot of people really screwed, full of anger and hate toward the attacker and anything or anyone that possibly caused the situation, on average a woman will spent about 5 years just getting over this hate and anger to a point they no longer need medical, physiological, or counseling assistance. Now can you imaging the effect on the woman if she was forced to have that child?
Now yes she could adopt it out as she would be in no state to care for it but she would have to live with the fact she created (or as you may believe she was apart of the creation) of something which will always contain a part of her attacker. Now call me week but I could not live with that and I know of no woman that could, I have no doubts that there is a woman out there that could but I can tell you now that they are a minority,
Just before you tell me that there are things like the morning after pill on the market which can be used within 72 hours of the event to assist with ensuring the woman does not fall pregnant it is not actually that easy. At least 60% of rape victims who come forward (less then 50% of rape victims come forward) can not and will not come to terms with the rape for some weeks, months and in many cases years, some times due to denial, but also it is common that it is due to being threatened by the attacker. So unfortunately there goes the effectiveness of that idea. There is also that proportion of rap victims that are under 15! How scared would you be? You don’t have the life experience, knowledge or logic which an adult has, you wouldn’t go “Oh, I’ve been raped, I could be pregnant, I should go to the doctor and see what I can do..” unfortunately you just don’t think like that.
Before you doubt my sources or say “How do you know you don’t think like that?” or even “there are ways that you can educate the public to think like that in such a situation” I have one last thing to say. Not only was I myself raped at the age of 14 I have worked with a number of youths (Male and female) aging 8 – 18 who have also been raped and from that I have known people and seen the results of girls being forced to have the baby conserved as a result of the rape and I have seen girls who have terminated the pregnancy. Between my experience and the souses which I obtained my statistics “Rape Crises Australia” I can honestly say that I have thought about, researched and experienced enough to not be classed as a:
And I can tell you first hand that Stu is far from a ‘windbag’, in fact a windbag is someone who blurts out insults or views with out thought or research, now clearly Stu has researched at very least supporting news items, you however have no evidence of ANY research to back your comment so I think im pretty safe to say that it is you who is Windbagging. As for him not having a conscience if he didn’t have a conscience he wouldn’t have posted his concern regarding the opinions of a Senator who managed to squeeze his way into his seat by default and less then 2% of the Victorian public support!!!
It is here I would like to say that ultimately it should be the choice of the woman concerned if she has similar beliefs to yourself then fantastic she will follow them and not make use of the facility but if she believed otherwise then shouldn’t she have access to the facility? If you say no to that let me reverse the situation for you:
If a law was put up to make abortions compulsory for woman who are un able to physically or mentally cope with a pregnancy to ensure that the woman’s life is not endangered. Wouldn’t you feel that no one but ‘yourself’ (if you were a woman) has the right to decide that you are not ‘fit’ to have a child and hence terminate your pregnancy? I’m pretty damn sure you would and that you would fight for that right to the living end as it is what you believe. Well I believe a woman should have the choice there to make HERSELF as it is a choice ONLY SHE can make.
By Siobhan
, November 6, 2006 @ 5:07 pm
Uh huh. So by being pro the rights of the mother, that automatically makes one anti-Christian? I’m sorry, but I’m not sure where you get off accusing someone of “condoning the murder of babies” when your rant is more based on expletives and mud-slinging than any real logic. For a start: foetuses aren’t babies. The reason we have rules governing up until when abortion is legal is because the foetus hasn’t formed to a point where it has any consciousness yet.
And, keeping that in mind, it is more humane to abort a foetus that hasn’t reached that stage of development than to force the mother to carry it to full term and give birth and consign the baby to a life of neglect or being one of many children up for adoption that may never find a loving family.
And if you intend on running the argument that a fertilised egg already has a soul? Female menstruation and male masturbation are killing potential babies, too.
By James
, November 6, 2006 @ 5:14 pm
You know Bob you present me with a challenge. How exactly does one go about taking your ultra-conservative, ill-reasoned, poorly-informed and closed-minded spew seriously?
Nevermind, I thought of a better way, i wont.
By nat
, November 6, 2006 @ 5:19 pm
whoa…
bob…you’re a fucking prick…you better back up what you’ve said with some evidence quite soon cause if you had any real idea about the situation i doubt you’d be saying that…
and i’m pretty sure you can’t argue with what sarah said….
prick….
oh….and if you do require any info on the stages of a pregnancy, i’ll be more than willing to fill you in about it all because i had to study embryology, so trust me when i say i can easily put you in your place in regards to what goes on…
By Eden
, November 27, 2006 @ 2:24 pm
you’re stupid and I don’t like you (the guy who wrote this that is)
By Eden
, November 27, 2006 @ 2:26 pm
hahahaha. and everyone else doesn’t like you either. it’s quite funny really.
By Scott
, December 8, 2006 @ 4:42 am
I like how you choose the words “ridding of an embryo” as opposed to what is actually happening which is “killing the not fully developed baby”. If you are going to go on these “rants” you may want to consider running them through spell check first. Everytime I come on here I feel like I’m reading a first graders English paper.
By matt
, January 11, 2007 @ 7:49 pm
These guys frustrate, because I know that Jesus never taught Abortion Laws in the Bible, so how can it be catagorized as fundamental Christianity. Its just another case of taking a true doctrine too far. Of course its wrong to kill, it also wrong not to go to war to defend your family from being murdered. Every case is different. That is what Jesus taught, he handled every person’s situation according to the circumstances they were in.
Mormon’s teach the correct principle on Abortion, “It is a decision of the mother to pray about in cases of rape, incest, or when the life of the mother is in danger. In other circumstances when marriage is not an option the mother is encouraged to look into adoption to a family looking to adopt, so that the family looking to adopt and the child can be able to live a happy life. The mother can also decide to keep the child”
By Eddie Keator
, January 15, 2007 @ 10:27 am
DUDE….
Next beer or cocktail is on me. I am so tired of the so called “christians” when they are suppose to be pastoral but they are more talibanish with the “my way or the highway” threats of hell and damnation. All of their beliefs between a cover of the best assemble fables and folklore… aka the bible… what a crock of schitt.
The closest to christianity these yahoos get to is Pope hilter youth himself, Adolf, or worse - Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell.
By BV, January 26, 2007 @ 6:24 am
STU that was a pretty impressive argument… And Bob I find it interesting you have not responded to any of the posts since your orginal…
Turning to Sarah’s lengthly response there were several points that jumped out at me. One of them being: “I personally would not get an abortion unless it was necessary for my or the child physical and mental health and wellbeing.” What are the limits on this? Does this mean that you would agree with abortions based on the knowledge that the child may have some sort of mental or physical disability?
The topic of abortion is a touchy issue that I believe is too complex for a blog. Is it ethical to kill unborn children because they may be disabled, because they were unexpected, or because of the socioeconomic conditions that individuals find themselves? I would argue that it is not ethical. However in saying that, I can understand why many in society do value the choice.
I am not religious and base the belief that abortion is wrong solely on the principle… We would not kill a child for any of these reasons, but simply because the fetus is out of sight and not fully developed advocates argue it is alright? This logic is flawed, regardless of the situation, you are preventing a child from developing and becoming an independent being. It is murder.
By stemcell jesus
, January 31, 2007 @ 6:05 am
Jesus and the rest of the Christians and Jews (I was born one…) can kiss my butt.
mmmmmmuuuuuuaaaaaaaaaa!
By Corey
, February 1, 2007 @ 1:57 pm
Was any one here aborted? How about orphans? Has anyone considered abortion actually a blessing from god? I’m sure some teenage girls with BMWs do. Or not. Maybe it’s just routine. Anyway If you’re Christian you will have a very safe and boring life and maybe you’ll get to kill someone fighting a war just like a non Christian or disadvantaged. I don’t care if your believe abortion is right or not. You people need to quit having so many damn babies. And quit judging so many damn people. If you’re not worried about where you go when you die then why do you worry about the other people who don’t either. Nonsense
By George
, February 2, 2007 @ 7:24 am
Has anyone ever considered the notion that people should have the right to make personal decisions based on their own belief system without interference from others or the government. The most fundamental decisions regarding a supreme being, bearing children, living or dying should be up to an individual, and if the person desires, in consulation with his or her religious advisor, family, and friends. Outsiders and the government have no place in these type of decisions. In other words, mind your own business.
By pete
, February 9, 2007 @ 8:00 pm
Guys, I thinked you all got sucked in by ‘Bob the Troll’
still funny tho
By Steve
, February 16, 2007 @ 11:46 pm
Well Bob, I work in a pediatric hospital where I see children “aborted” from birth to 7 years old and I have NEVER once seen one of you self proclaimed “protector” of children’s rights anywhere around to protest the murder of BORN children
On any given day we treat infants that have been through the tortures of scalding, burns, fractured bones, raped (by their Xian Fathers) and shaken until they are internally decapitated.
I don’t recall ever seeing Bob Long protesting the fact that BORN children are regularly “aborted”.
Where’s your protest to that Bob? How many of these kids have you adopted. ZERO! You people are all hypocrites
By Tyson
, February 20, 2007 @ 4:35 am
I believe it is possible to be against abortion yet also stand up for a woman’s right to choose. I’m against the idea of abortion but I also don’t have the right to force my views on anyone, or berate and name-call those who have opposing views. Why can’t everyone just mind their own business? Oh right, because your twisted christian morality tells you that you must convert the sinful world to your way of thinking or god will spank you.
Christians and other religious types, you don’t have all the answers. No one does. You sound so hateful and ignorant with every word that you utter. Hardly the message of love I would expect. Get a clue.
By BV, March 1, 2007 @ 3:56 am
Steve I will be honest I have never heard of aborting children after they were born, as far as I’ve heard euthanasia is still illegal. Regardless, you do not know what activities or other causes people on this forum are involved in, therefore calling this entire forum hypocrites is a tad ignorant.
Secondly, this is a blog on abortion of unborn children… Most likely why you do not see the topic you are referring too. For everyone to be hypocrites we would have to be condoning the euthanasia of young children, which as of yet I have not seen.
By Geoff
, May 4, 2007 @ 11:45 pm
Who has the F@##ing right to tell a person what they can and can’t do with their own body. If they want to abort a fetus then that’s their choice not anyone elses.
All these do gooders just love to control things to suit their own agenda.
Finally, It’s a bit hypocritical for God Freaks & Priests to preach about the sins of abortion when they are molesting little kids and destroying lives everywhere with their Bible Bashing Bullshit.
By Poopchute
, June 10, 2007 @ 5:51 am
A closed mind gathers nothing.
By Bob Long
, June 23, 2007 @ 11:12 pm
So, My money is on this Bob Long person being a hoax. A ficticious person created to start a flame war.
By graham
, July 24, 2007 @ 10:40 am
bob, u get bet!
o…nd stop rippin it out of christianity,unless ur particularly focusin on protestants slag dem all u want,otherwise dont
By Nik
, August 14, 2007 @ 9:10 am
Hi Stu, I’m a kiwi ( very much unlike Bob ) and would like a little recognition that all kiwi’s aren’t the same. I used to do security for an abortion clinic here in Auckland and the only crazy people I ever saw were the right wing christians trying to sneak in with the humans to cause irreversible emotional damage to the poor woman who had already been through months of therapy to get to a point they could go through with the process. I think I pill would benefit these woman greatly so they don’t have to endure the physical trauma as much, as for Bob I think he needs to get pregnant knowing farewell he will never be able to deliver the baby and then let him decide how wrong abortion is. Keep up the good work, just don’t lump all us down here in the same bucket. cheers
By CS
, August 16, 2007 @ 4:50 pm
I don’t even know how I wound up here, but I will tell you this…In every forum I have ever been to, there will always be the same things.
Flaming Liberals
Ultra-Conservative zealots.
Bigots.
Hypocrites.
Back-Stabbers.
Profilers.
Name-Callers.
That one dude that makes you wonder what he’s smoking, and why he is not sharing….
Thank God (yes I said God, send hate mail to me@biteme.com) that there are a few level-headed folks with an open mind, but too few and far between. No wonder we’re all going to hell in a handbasket.
By wes
, August 21, 2007 @ 4:56 am
That Bob Long jerk is using a quote from Hitchhikers Guide to bolster his pov,
don’t we just hate trigger pumping morons with no conversation?
By Lynn
, August 27, 2007 @ 4:25 am
I think Christians should speak out about their ethical beliefs as all have the right to do, but I think many are falling short in living lives that really reflect God’s love for all of humanity.
I wonder … would people feel as angry toward Christians who speak out against abortion if they were focusing equally on tending to needs as Jesus did — caring for the sick, providing food for the hungry, befriending those on the margins, etc.? When Mother Teresa spoke out against abortion full force, I didn’t find it so offensive because she poured her heart and soul into the cause of loving people and I trusted her motives. Still she was hated by many for not minding her own business about others’ ethical choices. So was Jesus (”If the world hates you, you know that it hated Me before it hated you”).
By mo ainm
, August 28, 2007 @ 9:46 pm
I agree with you there. As a young woman, I cannot wait to have children, but I have quite a number of friends who have found themselves in various positions where they have felt the choice was not theirs, in a way! One friend was happy to be pregnant although she was very very young but her long term partner refused to acknowledge her pregnancy and insisted on an abortion. She felt vulnerable and alone and the one person she expected to support her didn’t. She has always grieved for her loss but knows now that the situation showed her (now ex) partners true colours.
If someone shows true humanity to others, not even christianity, because I believe that true humanity is when you accept that others may not share your beliefs but that they should not be condemned for this. Everyones situation differs and we need to realise that we may someday be in a situation where we need compassion and understanding…. Who shows us that remains to be seen…..
By Anders
, September 11, 2007 @ 12:03 am
Wow,
what an awesome discussion!
Stu, Monty Pyton didn’t exist for no reason, glad to see they also gave you some humor.
I actually think Steves comment is very usefull is this debate, I never thought of the hypocracy that Christian Politics represent. The hard work and impeccable morals that is put into saving the unborn child certainly doesn’t match the hard work and impeccable morals that go into treating the fellow in a respectable manner.
I look forward to more brilliant lyrics.
By Doug Mangrove
, September 15, 2007 @ 9:05 am
Why is it that intelligence and wisdom seem to cancel each other out? There are never ending arguments on both sides, but no agreement has ever or will ever be reached. Pro-choice are the only ones willing to compromise. Unless both sides are willing there will be no solution.
By Dubber Ruckie
, September 15, 2007 @ 9:14 am
Abortions should be done on a regular basis at any stage of development. Not only is it a great way to control the ever increasing population, but it will enrage the arrogant , stubborn and intolerable pro-lifers until their heads cave in. An added perk for that population control.
By mo ainm
, September 18, 2007 @ 11:44 pm
If people were willing to compromise there would be no debate in this world. However, I think the word tolerance is a better one to use as opposed to compromise. You dont have to believe what someone else believes in but you should understand their right to have that belief
The rather extreme views in the previous post are just what people need to really misunderstand the problems in this world!! Think before you make such flippant remarks please!
By dev
, November 13, 2007 @ 1:36 pm
yeah, bob, youre a retard. people like you need to wake the fuck up and open your damn minds past what your mommy and daddy and pastor tell you.ive tried to be understanding and use calm, gentle tones with you fuckheads, but im sick of it. ill give you a great example.
By dev
, November 13, 2007 @ 1:41 pm
okay, dick cheney is a very right wing conservative, just like george bush. they both have almost exactly the same views of things, which makes them a great 2 man wrecking ball. but the one thing they differ heavily on are gay rights. bush wanted an amendmant against their marrige, but cheney wants gays to get married. why? because cheneys daughter happens to be lesbian. you see, conservatives like you just pretend like you know what other people are going through, but you have no idea. only when it affects you personally do you change your views. thats why the war is so unpopular, because many families have lost members in it, and there is a fear of a draft now.
By Marian
, December 2, 2007 @ 6:06 am
Omg bob long is an idiot. LOL Its just a real shame his Christian majority couldnt make abortion illegal like the promised to do if they had the majority. LMAO If they did that they would have nothing to run for office with. Your Bible says not to judge people less you be judge. WHy dont you let your God decide the punishment for people who get abortions. I love how Christian idiot choose the parts of the bible the want to follow, what ever suits them leave the rest.. Love the fetus, hate the child. Were are these right wing fags when that unwated child is being raped/abused by a family member huh? Not there problem anymore as long as the embryo is safe, huh? Get a life……..
By Tacho
, December 15, 2007 @ 4:27 pm
I dont really want to way in on the abortion debate guys,but i would like to see what peoples opinions are on all these cases lately that have been popping up in the media about doc,s & these poor poor children that have been abused & found murdered or dumped in waste bins?Surely the government has to take alot of the responsibilty for this.I mean they offer money to any women to have a child without any type of screening process.Dont they realise that there are low lifes out there who are just after the “money”.The money thats offered is not enough to raise that child anyway!Once they’ve gotten the money & probably spent it on themselves anyway & not on the child or,stuck it up there arm.The point is these women! if you can call them that probably never wanted the child to begin with,they just took the carrot that was dangled in front of them!No screening process or history check.For this!I believe the government is very responsible or should i say Irresponsible!..your thoughts please.
By orpegqu
, January 14, 2008 @ 9:04 pm
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By Angie, March 29, 2008 @ 5:17 pm
Hi Guys.
This is a very interesting blog to read through.
As a believer in Christ, I am offended at some of the remarks so blithely leveled at all Christians the world over. To the makers of those comments, I would dearly like to know when they met (or indeed had time to meet) every single christian on the face of the earth? I ask because only by meeting every last one of us, would you be able to make such sweeping generalisations. Unless you are a lying hypocrit.
As a christian, I went through hell when I was raped by a boyfriend. I too ended up pregnant. I was abandoned by my family and friends. The father wanted nothing to do with me and insisted on an abortion. I was scared, unemployed, homeless and with no support base. I dearly wanted to keep my miracle child, but would that not have been irresponsable and unethical not to mention selfish. What would I have clothed him in? or fed him? Where would I have sheltered him? The streets are no place to raise a child. To decide for this tiny child that he should rather die a slow and agonising death in the cold and the rain rather than destroying an embryo is a giant act of selfishness.
You mention giving the child away to a loving home. To that I say the following. My father and my mother taught me to clean up my own mess behind me. I was only allowed to have a pet on the understanding that I would care for it, feed it, clean up behind it etc. The same basic principle applies to having a child. How could I expect someone else to clean up my mess in this much bigger matter? Is that not increadibly selfish of me?
Yes I believe that terminiating a foetus is murder…but only - and this is important so pay attention - only once there is blood. The bible tells us that the life begins with the blood so the foetus is only a living being when it has a heartbeat. I ended my pregnancy when I was not even 6 weeks along. There was no heartbeat as yet, but I still held myself morally responsable. You, who have never been there, have got no right to judge my actions. What I did is between me and my maker.
As to the method of termination, I am increadibly grateful that I had the option of attending a clinic and having the procedure done in a clean, safe environment. I am glad that I did not have the risk of being raped again by the person who is dubiously qualified to perform the abortion by coathanger. I did not have the risk of a destroyed uterus or an infection which was likely to kill me. I am glad that I was not forced to bear a child I could not care for and would have to watch starve to death. I live in South Africa where our homes for unmarried mothers are more likely to get you killed than help you and the child welfare does not care effectively for the child. Add to that the rampant HIV pandemic in my country and I am glad I was spared from having to watch my child go through that because our society denies white people work.
I believe that murder is wrong, but I also believe that my God forgives the vilest offender who repents and who truly believes. Before you tar all christians with the same brush, take the time to actually listen to what we say. But then I recall the bible saying that he who is blind and choses to keep that blindness, will never see the light (not in as many words, but the gist is there if you care to look)
I am proudly Christian and also proudly pro Choice
By deWeb
, March 30, 2008 @ 8:46 am
truth is true. i know that sounds dumb, but hear me out. if something is true, it doesn’t matter whether you believe it or not…it’s still true. (imagine growing up under ground, never seeing the sky…you might not believe the sky is blue, but the true is that it is blue.)
that said, i keep seeing broad sweeping statements on here about hypocritical, stubborn, judgemental christians, and i have to admit that a lot of those comments are well deserved. not for the beliefs they hold but for the stupid way a lot of us act! i believe that christians have access to the single most freeing, empowering, life-improving power in the universe. and jesus told us to share it with everybody. the problem is that they don’t know, or are unwilling to learn how to go about it, through love and sacrificial giving and others-focussed lifestyle. so what they do is preach or neg or criticize or politicize all over the place. as you can see in this discussion, that does nothing but alienate people and put up walls of misunderstanding.
so, i believe that abortion is wrong, because i feel like it violates the right to life of the unborn human (not gonna talk semantics ’cause it’s a never-ending debate). but i feel like a much better course of action (as opposed to ranting and fussing and raising hell) is giving money or time to an organization that helps unwed moms-to-be through the process of making better decisions or links them up with people who want so desperately to have a child but can’t. (like some friends of mine who would love nothing more than to “clean up somebody else’s mess” as Sarah put it…) being proactive like this is harder to do, but most of the time doing the right thing is harder. it seems to me that not only does that more closely follow the teachings of jesus, but it actually does more to discourage abortion by encouraging people to make different choices. (call me an idealist all you want.)
i also think that would encourage folks to reconsider their opinion of christ, who (believe it or not) loves the hell out of you.
By mary
, April 1, 2008 @ 8:37 am
excUse me, but this is complete crap. just because he doesn’t agree with selfish people having abortions because thier child would be ‘inconvenient does NOT mean he would rather both die. most christians belive abotion is best if mother or child or both would die. its wrong to kill your own flesh and blood. do you KNOW what happens to the child?!
By catherine
, April 2, 2008 @ 12:36 pm
well, ‘mary’ (is that even your name??), you are so stupid. it’s a mother’s right. true, by destroying her baby a mother denys it the chance of life, but hey! it’s not the baby’s right to choose life or death, it’s the mother’s. and even if she was raped and her parents wouldve kicked her out and she would’ve lost all her friends, that is more important than an individual’s life who one day could grow up to be anyone…
my mother was going to abort me. she wasn’t at a good time in her life and i was definitely an accident. but at the clinic she had second thoughts. her parents and boyfriend were emotionally manipulative and tried to force her, but she resisted. i don’t care how crap my life has been or will be, it’s worth it! life is unique, precious. sometimes, after something bad has happened, i may wish my mother had done differently. but i have learnt to love life and cherish it. i focus on the good not the bad. i smile constantly. i wish the same to all of you. what is this really about though? i am 13 years old. you guys are all aruing over some point that, really, doesn’t matter that much! there are more important things in life to argue and to fight. poverty. abuse. lonliness. hatred and hated. dictators. injustice. how many of you fight these things? how many of you would make a stand on these issues? how many of you have? i’ve been given three months to live. cancer. why, WHY won’t people all agree to disagree! why not fight bigger things! join together to fight freaking things that matter!!
see you all in heaven, i hope. god loves you no matter what you do, and all you need to do is ask and believe for all sins to be forgiven.
By catherine
, April 2, 2008 @ 1:40 pm
by the way, that wasn’t my personal story. i read it somewhere and thought it was an amzingly touching story that fit in with this blog. that girl was more mature than so many adults (including many here). i wasn’t nearly aborted (as far as i know), and don’t have cancer (as far as i know), but i agree with the rest.
By Marc
, June 25, 2008 @ 12:26 am
why is it that religion has to have such a big input in matters such as these? calling someone unchristian, even if said with enough venom, is not as bad an insult as it appears. i’m sure some people would even love it! but back to my point. i’m not sure i can add anything new to this, but i will ask one or too questions to play devils advocate a bit. first off, and i can’t remember who it was, and i’m not trying to fight but, someone said that it would be better to abort a child than to bring it into a world where it would be unloved. but then i have to ask, if you had one terribly horrific experience that altered the course of you life, if you had it in your power would you make it so it never happened? perhaps. but what if this experience made you a better person? so then is it better to live and be unhappy (at least for the moment) or not?
Now something else to consider. i am unsure of the facts regarding the awareness of a foetus or embryo, but i do remember seeing somewhere a 3d ultrasound picture which showed a baby with a look of disgust on its face from tasting the fluid in the uterus. (if anyone can clarify be my guest). i’m not going to focus too heavily on this part simply because i don’t remember all the details.
I suppose i could write more, but i don’t see the point. there are always going to be people who believe that their opinions are right and thats that. I’m not saying i’m innocent of this myself. but it comes down to choice. trying to make a decision such as this is effectively removing a persons choice. if you choose this, then deal with your choice however it may effect you. but a person should not be forbidden from something which is ultimately their choice. regardless of what is believed, the choice lies in the hands of the woman who is in the situation, not some well to do politician, or a majority of people who are all sure their opinions should be law.
I’m not sure if i got my point across the way i wanted to, but that is all i have time for at the moment. if you read this thank you.